A Rebuttal to a Challenger of Impeachment

Dear Robin,

Thank you for your point of view. It is one of the more thought through arguments against impeachment that I have seen. Pelosi should have such an opinion to explain her stand against impeachment rather than her simplistic jargon. Here is my rebuttal to your thought through conclusions.

“I challenge you all to look beyond 1/21/2009, the date that any chance of any impeachment finally comes to an end” - January 21th, 2009, is not the cutoff date for impeachment, it is a rallying point to impeach the next president if that president does not declare an end to the National State of Emergency that allows for the current tyranny in this country. Furthermore, if the next president does not restore our constitution then that president must be impeached, is this clear? This is not a personality contest, impeachment is not because we hate somebody, and it definitely does not fit into a timeline like inauguration day; it is about reclaiming what the War On terror has taken away – our liberties and our rights.

“A better way to go is to continue investigations, continue to bring indictments” - Impeachment is a synonym for investigation – it is in fact, the MOTHER of ALL investigations. Without an impeachment investigation we will never get all the dirt that is being swept under the rug by a corrupt Congress and an even more corrupt executive branch.

Impeachment is an indictment against all the lawbreakers and their supporters, aka “impeachment is off the table folk”. It indicts those that are criminally insane and those in denial that major laws are being broken placing our country on life support. Without the recognition of the need for impeachment then the US Freedom ship will surely sink.

“I believe that if we put this adjucation into the congress, the most corrupted body politic on planet earth, we will disqualify evidence needed for legal actions and THE CORRUPTED ONES...aka...democrats nd republicans, will hide such impeachment actions from the public.” - I do agree that Congress is corrupted and we may never get an honest investigation from them and they may sweep everything under the table along with the public’s demand for justice. However, we must not overlook the role that impeachment plays in the life of our country at this time.

Impeachment is a declaration of support. It is a litmus test to see where citizens, congressional representatives, and our leaders stand on the ‘Rule of Law’ in our country. You are either with the rule of law or you are against it, you are either with breaking the law and acting like criminals or you are against it. By putting impeachment aside you fail as a citizen, you fail as a patriot, and you fail in your duties to defend the freedom the constitution affords. In your declaration against impeachment you are against the very fabric of the United States, the ‘Rule of Law’ given to us by the constitution.

“What you and all your impeachment friends should be doing instead is to get involved with election reform, including "publically funded elections" - In a republic governed by a constitution, NOTHING is more important than the constitution and the rule of law that upholds it. Without this there is nothing, no liberty, no law, and NO elections of ANY kind. When you break the law and have unfair elections then the people need to uphold the rule of law to guarantee elections. Rather than work for a new electoral system lets work to uphold the law that guarantees an electoral system. NO law = no elections.

Even though I respect your opinion I think it does our country a dis service and places our liberty at risk. Please recognize the importance of impeachment beyond the simplistic jargon our Congress is giving us. Their anti-impeachment palaver flirts with disaster and that disaster is the end of the United States. Impeachment is the new beginning.

Michael Tivana

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin D Hordon [mailto:robinhordon@juno.com]

So far, my position of not worrying about impeachment has proven more productive. I believe that if we put this adjucation into the congress, the most corrupted body politic on planet earth, we will disqualify evidence needed for legal actions and THE CORRUPTED ONES...aka...democrats nd republicans, will hide such impeachment actions from the public. I stand behind Pelosis and Conyers for their wisdom to NOT be KNEE JERK LIBERALS who have been asleep for decades only to wake up these last few years only to discover that the responsibilities that they have NOT executed, involved citizenship, have come back to bite them.

So, I see right through all the phony posturing about how outraged these knee-jerk-liberals are, and I'm calling you all out on it.

A better way to go is to continue investigations, continue to bring indictments, continue to operate in the PUBLIC VIEW of juris prudence.

What you and all your impeachment friends should be doing instead is to get involved with election reform, including "publically funded elections", so that we can elect people of higher quality in the first place.

You have been outed, and I invite you all to become real progressives.

A PROGRESSIVE is a liberal who has grown enough to first govern themselves, and has become savvy enough to govern others. Its time to stop the knees from jerking and to get down to business.

Finally, I challenge you all to look beyond 1/21/2009, the date that any chance of any impeachment finally comes to an end-the date that you and your groups HAVE to sober up and to get real, and to put plans in motion to keep the enthusiasm and momentum of your followers that, at the moment, is misguided and aim it in more productive directions.

Here is an idea-a place to start...

Love, Peace and Progres with CLEAN ELECTIONS using PAPER BALLOTS on a NEW PAID FEDERAL VOTING HOLIDAY...

Nopw, if any ONE of those things happened at the hand of your groups, their efforts would not be wasted as they are being wasted chasing impeachment right now...just a thought from a progressive who has a different point of view.

Robin Hordon